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« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2012, 08:13:33 AM »

Thanks Kevin I will check them out.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2012, 06:32:36 PM »

Any new progress, Ken?
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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2012, 07:36:33 PM »

Any new progress, Ken?
Not really. I have been in the Philippines on business and just got back yesterday. I need to locate the rear seat bottom brackets from the body of a 04-06 GTO. I found a web site that shows the conversion install and having them will make it a whole lot easier. The weather here is going to be nice for the most part the next 2 weeks so I hope to be able to get some work done.
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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2012, 08:56:35 PM »

Welcome back!

Please post the pics of the rear seat install when you tackle that project... we get a lot of people asking how to do that fairly often.   

Thanks for the update, and good luck in the garage!
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« Reply #64 on: February 29, 2012, 05:15:24 AM »

Welcome back!

Please post the pics of the rear seat install when you tackle that project... we get a lot of people asking how to do that fairly often.   

Thanks for the update, and good luck in the garage!

Thank you and I will definitely post the pics.
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« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2012, 11:49:11 PM »

OK it is late so I hope this all makes some kind of sense!

First after reviewing some of the cluster pics I had seen I went back to my dash layout and with the help of my son we began to play around alittle and came up with this for a layout.  Still have some work to do on it but I really like where it is going.

 
Next I have been working on adapting the 2006 GTO seats to the LeMans. On the front I cut out the factory front brackets. When I did I found that there was a captive nut on the outboard side of the floor for what I presume was for a bench seat. It just so happens that it is in the perfect position for the outboard rail to attach.




So after a bunch of measuring and shimming on the inboard side to make the seat level it turned out that the captive stud bracket that I had cut off the outboard side with a little modification was the perfect thickness to level the seat. So after having my son put the seat in and setting in it at various positions I finally marked and welded in the bracket on the inboard side.



This is what one side looks like without the seat in on the passanger side:


I had to cut the brackets of the seat rails in the back because they made the seats sit way to high. I am having some new ones made. When I get them back and installed I will post that as well.

So hear are the lovely bride and myself pretending to cruise:


Next I began looking at the back seats. I had seen on the web were someone had put these seats in a 68 model and had the car body lower seat brackets cut out of the newer GTO and used them. I have not had much luck finding a body locally that anyone is willing to cut up. So I started searching again and found where someone else just modified the bottom seat frame to work with the existing body brackets in a 68 or so Firebird. So that is the approach I am taking now.

After stripping both the upper and lower frames of the foam and leather I began looking at placement, mounting and what modifications it was going to take to get there. This is what I have found so far.

The seats will need to be cut apart as they are too narrow as an assembly to even come close to being able to use any of the oem bracketry in the 67.

The seat bottoms on the inbaord side fit with the floorboard quite nicely. However the outboard side not so much. So this area will need to be modified to get the seat bottom lower and closer to the floorboard:


This hoop and the turn rearward in the floorboard bracing are the big offenders here:




I think I will be able to modify the seat bottoms to fit the floorboard and also I think I will be able to weld in a rod to be able to use the front hold down brackets. I mocked up what I will need with a piece of old brake line:


I also noticed that I might be able to use the rear hold down bracket as well doing the same thing by welding in a rod between the seat bottoms in the back and that rod will be covered by the console I am planning on having between the seats.

Next I began to see how the seats would line up with the ones in the front if I were able to figure out how to use the 67 upper hold down bracket where the upper and lower seat come together. The placement is a little to the outboard side but not bad. I think I will continue in this direction as well.






This is basically what one side will look like but the whole seat will be about an inch lower.


Ok I gotta go to bed. I am starting to see double  Shocked and Photobucket keeps locking up.
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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2012, 06:04:10 AM »

That's a nice gauge layout, those look really good.    What are you going to use for the face material?

As for the GTO seats, you're doing great work there, too.     We cannot stress enough how important it is to reuse the captured bolt / stud mounting system like you're doing.   Many people just drill a hole in the floor and bolt the seats down... imagine if the car got hit and the seat rips from the floor.     In our case, I'd probably be driving and the bolt would pull through and I'd go right through a school bus or something.   

Are you going to keep the full height of the rear seats?    While comfy, I personally feel they are a bit overwhelming visually, but that's just me.     We get the request to install these in cars often, so we appreciate you posting the pics of what it takes and how it looks so we can show people what the process will be.

It looks like you and Mrs. Pontiac Ken are having fun with the car, and you've got Jr. involved too... cool to see!

Press on!
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2012, 06:53:25 AM »

Kevin,

Thanks for the compliments!

I am thinking about using carbon fiber board as the base material. I can get it thick enough, so therefore I am thinking strong enough, to mount the gauges to the back of it. Will probabley tie in the console with the same material.

The rear seats are ending up to close to the body once I put an armrest back in. I will need to move them a couple of inches inboard. I will post some pics but in your expert opinion do you think I can use a piece of plate steel to tie the the seats to the original bracket or should I cut it off and relocate it?

Not sure on the height of the seats now that I am moving them in. Debating with myself at this time. I will let you know who wins!

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« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2012, 08:38:50 PM »

Well I finaly think I have figured out and made all but two modification to get the rear seats installed.
In this process I had to remember that the modifications and final installation must incorporate a way to de-install the seats at a later time if need be. This took me lots of time as I am a very simple thinker and this was a more complex challenge than I originally thought it would be. I hope it all works as planned and the seats stay in place like they are suppost too!!!!

I have only been working on the passanger side so far so here are some pics of the modified seat frames for the passanger side as compared with the OEM drivers side:

Upper rear seat frames. The only modification was to cut off the extra rod between the two seats after seperation.


Lower seat frames. There are several modifications on the passanger side as compared to the OEM driver side.
Here you can see the rod that I welded in to take advantage of the existing forward seat bracket.


Here I turned one frame around to show the difference where I had to flatten out the side rods so the frame would sit in it's new location better.


Here you can see were I did the same thing to the side rods on the other side as well as remove the loop of rod that was used to locate and fasten the seats in the 04-06 GTOs.


Here you can see the shape modifications I made to make the rear loop reach the rear connecting point and put some tension on the new rod that goes through the existing seat bracket in the Le Mans.


The idea, and so far what has worked up to now in many mock ups, is to put the bottom part of the seat in first. I know what you are thinking, this is totally opposite of the norm, and you are right it is! You can also see that I cut out the original upper seat attachment screw bracket. I will weld it back in its new position where you see it below behind the upper and lower seat frame loops.


Install the upper seat into position comes next by locating the frame "hangers" in the slots I made just below the break in the package tray. You will also notice the rear glass set back into place so I could test this procedure and make sure there was enough room  for both installation and de-installation without hitting the glass. It will be tight and it will take a little finesse but it can be done.


I will cut a piece of flat stock and weld it to the lower frame hoop and use it as a washer and locater to make sure the seat bottom sits all the way down. The screw will run though this washer and the upper frame loop to secure the seat in place as a unit.


Here is the whole seat frame installed. I still have to cut and weld in the flat stock to the lower frame and relocate the original hold down bracket and weld it in.


I am also going to trim some of the foam from the upper seat as there is too much there and it pushes hard against the body frame rail the runs between the floor and the package tray. After a couple of test cuts it looks like a kitchen electric carving knife will work great for this.




I will update again when I have a finished product. Ken
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« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2012, 09:12:33 PM »

Here is the lower seat frame with the flat stock washer welded in along with a couple of ugly additions to the cross rod. I put those on because the seat bottom wanted to wonder a bit from side to side this keeps it tight against the seat bracket.




Here the foam has been trimmed from the seat back to better fit up against the body.




I did have to trim one apolstery clamp to fit the modifications to the lower seat frame.


Here are a couple of shots of the finished passanger rear seat. One shows the relationship of the seat to the OEM arm rest which I currently plan to use.




I finally got started on the driverside rear seat.


All was going very well until I broke my tubing bender just before needing it to bend the cross rod. Well that's where the old saying comes from "Use the right tool for the job". I just don't have the right tool and the cheesey light brake line tubing bender just did not stand up to rolled steel rod.


So this is where I stopped today.


Will get back at it when I can. But it may be a few weeks
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