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Author Topic: 1966 GTO L92 / 6L80E / Air Ride Street Challenge Project  (Read 24877 times)
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« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2009, 01:47:36 PM »

I just found a Spike TV video that shows them using a full quarter replacement on a '66 GTO.  Perhaps they really exist now!  Otherwise, the restoration is somewhat dubious, and the show, like all programming on Spike TV, is embarrassingly over-produced and gimmicky.  They don't provide any technical information about the panel itself (like how accurate the fit was, how much prep work it needed, who they ordered it from, etc.)  The finished car is a mixture of good (Hotchkiss and TriPower) and bad (Bling'tastic wheels and over-the-top stereo system).  Anyhow, I thought you would be interested to see physical proof of full replacement quarters for '66 GTOs.

Check out the video here:
http://www.spike.com/full-episode/slumdog-pontiac/32051
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« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2009, 02:33:36 PM »

Wow, thanks for forewarding that along.     I'll check out the video when I have a few minutes.    We're supposed to get the GTO back later this summer, and the quarters would be nice.

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« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2009, 04:00:02 PM »

They cover the quarter replacement within the first segment of the show, so I'd stop watching as soon as you reach the first commercial, unless you wish to subject yourself to all that is wrong with contemporary television programming.

Unfortunately, they don't mention who they ordered the panel from, but we can safely assume it was from one of only a few possible companies...
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« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2009, 08:00:32 AM »

HOLY CATS, I had to stop the video after they showed the panel.   I did go back to watch the whole thing to see how it turned out..

First off Ze - that's not a "full" quarter, it's a skin panel that does not go to the roof or through the door jambs.     These skins are already installed on our '66, but did you notice where the guy was sandblasting in the rear window sail panel area?   That's rusty on our '66 also, and the full quarters are needed to properly repair that area.   The only panels that go through the roof are NOS or take-offs from another car.     Rumors still float, but I still have not seen 'em yet. 

As for the video... nobody except the sandblaster had any safety gear... using sanders, grinders, and other wheels with no safety glasses?    Are you kidding me?     No gloves around solvents?   One guy had a mask on, but that's it. 

This looked to be a prime example of a quickie flip-job of a car.      Breaking windows while preparing panels?      No prep work / disassembly?     Quick MIG / Grind panel with no fitment finesse?   That's how the "pros" do it, I'll tell ya.    And look closely... they're spreading filler all over the passenger side quarter panel BEFORE they reveal they had to replace it... they're using the shot from AFTER the quarter panel install, but they already bagged on body filler, so they can't use it in sequence.     Cutting a panel with an air chisel with no glasses... not a good idea.   

Nice info about the brake system... the guy had never done a brake install before, so he's a good example.     No info about how / what / why they chose what they used.     No info about safety concerning brakes.    Just pull these cotter pins and hit something with a hammer and a pickle fork, drop on "this", and you're good to go!     Awesome!

YO!   Pick up your pants!   (That message was brought to you by HTP Welders)

Don't clean your car with wax / grease remover without wearing gloves... your hands will put all the oil and dirt right back in the paint...   And 14 coats of paint, huh?    Is that including all the primers, sealers, basecoats, and clears?   'Cause I don't think you'd want people to think that a particular paint needs 14 coats of basecoat to cover.    With the properly selected sealer color (which they looked like they had a blue) - most paints will hide / cover really well with 4-6 coats of color.    Paint ain't cheap... 14 coats?  I'm sure you can get great results with Dupli-Color with less.   

Painter spraying with no suit, eye protection, or gloves?     WTF?!??!   These are new levels of irresponsible... I can't imagine the insurance policy riding on this show to cover Spike's ass over lawsuits when people get injured / sick / cancer / die from these practices.    Plus all the dirt in the paint that goes along with it.    I'm sure Dupli-Color is really happy about showing the public these methods.     Be safe, live to paint again.   

I just gotta say that these kinds of shows really don't help anyone.. they mislead the public into thinking that restoration work is quick, cheap, and easy, and that resto techs are a bunch of coarse individuals with limited vocabularies.  Funk Master Flex is a very cool guy and a real enthusiast, but this kind of stuff is a let-down.      I don't like to bad-mouth anything, but it's a disservice to enthusiasts to just hack together a car and blow through the details and lead everyone to believe that's all it takes to build a magazine feature car.      There was about a million hours of stuff you didn't see in this build.     

Sorry for the rant.. but I know what it takes to build the car AND do the show... you'll notice that comments have been disabled on the video... you'll never see that here.   
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« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2009, 11:33:48 AM »

First off Ze - that's not a "full" quarter, it's a skin panel that does not go to the roof or through the door jambs.     These skins are already installed on our '66, but did you notice where the guy was sandblasting in the rear window sail panel area?   That's rusty on our '66 also, and the full quarters are needed to properly repair that area.

Bah, I should have caught on that it was only a skin!  Sorry for getting your hopes up!

Unfortunately, most people who haven't restored anything probably won't see anything wrong with their safety standards, thinking that's just how normal restorations go.  I noticed how unsafe they were as soon as I saw the daughter "clapping" the body filler dust from her sanding block directly onto her unprotected face...  How terrible!  I bet she'd ask for a respirator pretty fast if she read the MSDS from Bondo.  And of course, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

I used to work in the exhibits department of a natural history museum where I used all sorts of different materials and substances (wood, metal, plastic, fiberglass, numerous resins, paints and other finishes, etc...).  Even something as seemingly benign as sawdust can be toxic when inhaled.  We spent HUGE dollars to have us all protected from airborne contaminants in the shop, and it was worth every penny.

After I stopped working at the museum and finished college, I moved to NYC and began doing cancer research at NYU, which definitely reaffirmed just how important protecting oneself from the hazards of restoration work is.  Now I cringe at the thought of being anywhere near those substances without full protection, head to toe.

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« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2009, 01:59:41 PM »

In this installment, the 1966 GTO's L92 V8 finally comes to life!    Once we had our Magnaflow exhaust system connected to the polished ceramic Hooker LS1 A-Body swap headers, we topped off the fluids with Royal Purple Synthetic Engine Oil,  MAX ATF Transmission fluid, and Purple Ice radiator additive.   We didn't want to risk anything, and the protection of Royal Purple against heat, friction, wear, and moisture gave us peace of mind.    Plus the reduced friction frees up power.    We run Royal Purple in every car we build and drive.    But the real challenge was finding the little electrical gremlin that kept the MAST -powered ignition system from firing.    It was our fault, and when we fixed it, it came to life in the push of a start button.    The GTO runs and sounds fantastic!


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« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2009, 06:37:37 PM »

Kudos to MAST for being so helpful.  It sounds like they went above and beyond regarding technical support.  It's also really awesome that you can simply e-mail tuning configurations back & forth, have them double-checked by MAST, etc.

I'm not very surprised you ran into a speed bump with the headers.  These cars are surprisingly tight down there.  Altogether, it looks like your method of adaptation wasn't terribly tricky.
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« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2009, 08:03:42 PM »

Look what turned up on YouTube!  Look familiar?

Toward the end of the video, the cameraman says "Looks like Chip Foose designed it."  Ha!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/5G9PT-MyAf0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/5G9PT-MyAf0</a> (External Embedding Disabled)

So now that it's been driven for a while and is due back for bodywork this summer, will the car look different after the body is redone, or will it have approximately the same appearance when all is said and done?
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« Reply #128 on: July 04, 2009, 02:44:54 PM »

That's a cool vid.. thanks for posting that one up.   As you can tell, the GTO is out being driven around and the owner isn't pulling any punches.    When we get it back, we're going to fix a bunch of little things that cropped up during the shake down period, then we're going to fix some bodywork and finish the car off.   There's some talk of a MAST cam swap as well.    The car has gone 13.0s at around 108 with bigtime wheelspin and the shocks and air suspension not really dialed in, so we're looking forward to wringing it out at the track.   We also want to play with shift points and firmness.    I just got some Hermance renderings of the car.. I'll see if the owner thinks it's cool to post 'em up, but I don't think the overall look is going to change that much.
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« Reply #129 on: July 05, 2009, 11:16:15 PM »

The most recent video says/shows the push button start.  Did you use the ISIS setup for this car?  If so, how did it work out? Finding any glitches in the setup or operation?

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« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2009, 12:46:20 AM »

13.0 @ 108mph isn't exactly slow, either.  I'm kind of surprised/impressed to learn that it'll probably run deep into the 12s once the suspension and transmission are dialed in.
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« Reply #131 on: July 06, 2009, 07:28:45 AM »

We ran a traditional wiring setup in the car.   The push button start was a simple deal.. just wire the button to be hot when the ignition is on, then have it close the starter engagement when pressed.    It worked out pretty well.   The button was just an old automotive button we had in the shop.
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« Reply #132 on: July 06, 2009, 07:30:18 AM »

13.0 @ 108mph isn't exactly slow, either.  I'm kind of surprised/impressed to learn that it'll probably run deep into the 12s once the suspension and transmission are dialed in.

Yeah, it runs really well.     The engine tune is good for over 425 HP, and with the variable valve timing it really comes alive when you mash the pedal!   With drag radials and the tweaks we mentioned above, I'm sure mid 12s should not be a problem.   
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« Reply #133 on: July 09, 2009, 02:40:36 PM »

Here's some new renderings done by Ben Hermance suggesting the final look of the '66 GTO - DRIVEN1.    Which do you like?







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« Reply #134 on: July 09, 2009, 05:56:17 PM »

Great renderings by Hermance!  I'm heading away from the computer right now, but I'll definitely be back later this evening to write up my ideas for each of the different configurations.  Until then...
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