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Author Topic: 1969 Pontiac Firebird - "Routy"  (Read 163390 times)
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« Reply #180 on: March 21, 2009, 03:14:59 PM »

Good to see it stopped snowing up there!

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« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2009, 04:37:09 PM »

And Steve pointed out that these cars were meant to be jacked by the bumper, not the crossmember in the first place...

GM should have just bulked up the crossmember to accommodate jacking, since raising a car from the bumper is the reason why I bought my GTO with a twisted front bumper...  True, a Firebird and GTO are very different cars (with different curb weights, although both came with bumper jacks in the trunk) , but sometimes you have to wonder what the engineers were thinking.
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« Reply #182 on: March 23, 2009, 08:00:21 AM »

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Do you have any upper control arms up there with threaded shafts?  The ones that came with the car require the bolt to hold the old bushing.  I want to put the Global West bushings in but the ones I want to use require the threaded shafts. I'm gonna check some of our favorite online stores to find a deal, but if you already have them, maybe that is the better plan. Thanks! 
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« Reply #183 on: March 23, 2009, 08:25:38 AM »

I only have the stock 67-69 type shafts. Looks like we will need to get new shafts or the stud kit from GW to make them work.
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« Reply #184 on: March 24, 2009, 08:06:29 AM »

Couple shots of the subframe primed with Eastwood Epoxy Primer...  this time, the paint is not going to peel off!    Next pics will be the subframe in Ceramic Chassis Black.   



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« Reply #185 on: March 24, 2009, 08:25:11 AM »

That looks great! Do you have any shots of the crossmember and nose that you fixed?
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« Reply #186 on: March 24, 2009, 08:27:22 AM »

Not in primer, but we'll post 'em in black.     It looks pretty good.    The suspension parts, core support, inner fenders, and some misc. brackets will all be in Ceramic, so you won't have to worry about spilling brake fluid on them and hurting them.    It's strong stuff!
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« Reply #187 on: March 24, 2009, 08:32:13 AM »

That brings up a question. I was hoping to use silicon brake fluid what is your view on that?
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« Reply #188 on: March 24, 2009, 08:34:57 AM »

I don't think it's a good idea.    Word on the street is that it's good because it doesn't absorb moisture, but it does not perform as well as DOT 4 or 5 standard fluid.    It's also an extra expense.   If I recall, Baer recommends against it.   
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« Reply #189 on: March 24, 2009, 08:45:30 AM »

I did not know that. I used it in the 68 because the car sits so much and of the moisture not getting absorbed.  I also heard it will not take the paint off if it is spilled. I guess I will have to keep an eye on it as far as the performance issues. I learn something every day.
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« Reply #190 on: March 24, 2009, 08:49:36 AM »

The street rod guys love it because it never gets hot (they don't drive those things hard) and that it won't take off the paint.    Jeff Schwartz once gave me the "school" on the stuff... I'll take his word.   
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« Reply #191 on: March 25, 2009, 08:51:11 AM »

Here's a couple of the Eastwood Ceramic Chassis Black right after the 1st coat was sprayed - it will level out some when the solvents all evaporate out and it hardens.    Lookin' good.    At least one more coat to go.




This is the nose guard and plate.
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« Reply #192 on: March 25, 2009, 08:57:35 AM »

The rocker panels had holes and previous repairs at the rear sections, so we opened 'em up, blew out the mice nests, and plated it back up.   We used 1/8" plate to box the rocker with plug welds, then metal finished the edges.    It overlaps the seam like the stock wheeltub.   


Many mice lived here...


1/2 way through the perimeter tack welds.


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« Reply #193 on: March 27, 2009, 12:38:11 PM »

I wanted throw a link on here about the problems Pontiacs seem to have with running to hot. It is a huge thread that pretty much sorts out how to make your Pontiac mill run cool. One of the big tricks is making sure the water pump has the right clearance between the plate and the blades and to make sure the blades are cast iron not stamped steel. Many times we spend big money on aluminum radiators and electric fans and all they do is mask the problem. It’s a good read but pack a lunch because it’s close to 1000 posts long. I think the last post from the thread sums it up pretty well.
I just had my water pump die on my 70' Bonneville and decide to follow the suggestions on this post. After checking local auto stores, I finally found a water pump with a cast impeller from Carquest. The first one off the shelf was a stamped version and didn't match the picture on their screen but they checked their inventory and found two pumps with cast impellers. I had about an 1/8 clearance from the plate to the impeller out of the box and worked it down to about 1/16". Put it back together and did a maiden voyage. Everything looks good (no leaks) and the car seems a lot cooler. Thanks for the great advice.
Here is the whole thread : http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=411256
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« Reply #194 on: March 28, 2009, 12:05:27 PM »

Rear package shelf repair

When Routy arrived, the rear package tray had been completely cut out.    There are new repro pieces available, but this time we're going for function, so we installed a flat sheetmetal shelf using a series of plug welds around the perimeter.    A factory piece could be installed someday if needed, but we think this will suffice.    Plenty strong and will support speakers if needed.    We may be adding a small underside brace, but not sure it's neccessary at this point.     This was another example of recycling... the steel came from the decklid of a parts car.





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