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Mike Costa
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February 05, 2008, 04:18:07 AM »
Kevin, I am am hanging the rear quarte and am coming up about an Inch short at the top of the sail panel. I slide it under the roof and i need just a little space to nudge it up. Can I use a hammer and dolly to bend the part of the quarter that mates to the outer wheel well to get what I need?
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February 05, 2008, 08:35:22 AM »
It sounds like you have "full" quarter panels - like OE style to the roof, right? It's kinda hard to say without seeing it, but here are some thoughts. If you can pick up what you need from the wheelhouse opening without affecting the panel alignment vertically on the car or overly-reducing the amount of material in the wheel lip, you're possibly in good shape. Is this a vinyl top car? Could you add that 1" to the panel at the roof and slide it under?
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Mike Costa
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February 06, 2008, 04:58:30 AM »
Yes you are right I have the full quarters. I can add it to the top? I thought about adding it to the top but I thought that the panels were punched at the correct size. This is my first time hanging rear quarters. Should I put the doors on for alignment? Also I have one more question too. You already have been so helpful. Where the trunk drop off meets the rear quarter and the outer wheel well. Could you send me a pic on what it is supposed to look like? If you could please, if you get a chane and I am asking humbley, I know you are very busy and I am asking with the deepest respect for your crew and show and forum take a pic off the Oldsmobile I can see exactly what it is supposed to look like. I have an idea but I would like to see on a car that is a contemporary of mine. I will take some pics tonight and send them if you need them. I took a pic before but I can not find it in my computer.
And again Thank you.
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February 11, 2008, 05:03:10 AM »
Mike,
My first suggestion is to take it slow. This is your first quarter panel, and there are about a million little things to watch out for. First off, you should fit the quarter to the rear of the car, clamp / screw it in place, then fit the doors, then the fenders, decklid... pretty much everything. The theory is that the quarter can't be adjusted later, but all the rest of the sheetmetal can, so now's your chance to make sure the whole car fits right.
Once you're sure everything fits, then you can start your strategy on how it's all going to weld together. The trunk side drops, wheelhouses, and trunk floor can be pretty tricky. I'd send you the pic you're looking for on the Olds, but the car is at the media blaster... (I wanted to post it last week, but the car is taking a little longer than expected at the blaster.. go figure!)
I can snap a couple pics of the '69 Chevelle SS496 today at the shop to try to illustrate the areas you're asking about. The wheelhouses all fit together pretty good, but the trunk floor extensions ("drops") are kind of vague as to how they fit. Keep in mind that the seams are meant to be filled with seam sealer, so some overlap / gaps are going to be filled in, which will make things look better.
We'll have more on this later tonight with pics.
Thanks!
- KO
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Mike Costa
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February 11, 2008, 05:09:17 AM »
Kevin Thank you to you and your crew. You are the man. Watching your blogs helped give me the courage to tackle this. I appreciate all the time you take to answer my questions. I have the body on a jig. Should I put it back on the chassis? How wide should the seams be to constitute a perfect fit?
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February 11, 2008, 05:28:43 AM »
We found that putting the car on the jig and aligning the panels can be a problem with convertibles, as they tend to bow when they're put back on the original frame. Hardtops are not quite as flexible, so you should be OK. Have you cut the quarters off both sides at this point? That may have allowed the body to shift if it was not reinforced... it all depends on how much was cut.
I think the factory recommended an 3/16" gap on removable panels. Do you have a factory Fisher body manual? It will show you the gaps, dimensions, and the methods for attaching the panels. You can get reprints if you need one from places like YearOne.
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Mike Costa
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February 11, 2008, 10:01:43 AM »
I have the fisher body panel book for 68 and it is pretty lousy. It doesn't realy give me any real dimensions. I saw the schematic you used when you fabricated the jig for the Camaro. I would love to get my hands on something like that. where did you get it. Yes I cut all the rear quarters off. I tried to re-enforce everything and it did not holld up.
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February 11, 2008, 10:31:20 AM »
Mike,
There are some documents out there called "crash sheets" - they are used by body shops to align and straighten cars. Search eBay and you may find them listed as "1968 GTO crash sheets". Performance Years Pontiac may have them also, I'm not sure. We used the crash sheets to build the Camaro jig.
You say the reinforcements didn't hold up? Do you think the structure of the car shifted at all?
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Mike Costa
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February 11, 2008, 11:50:43 AM »
No i prehung everything doors,quarters, tail panel, deck filler panel and deck lid.,and I am pretty close all the way around I just need to tweek the seams I am tight in one spot loose in the other. I need to just tweek I think. I was able to get the crash sheet on line ( e-bay). I am going to wait for that to come in the mail. Great tip. Thanks again.
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November 13, 2008, 08:50:01 PM »
Hey Mike - any progress / photos on your project?
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December 03, 2008, 02:14:24 PM »
Hey Kevin....
Different Mike here, the one with the "S72" and the Monte SS......
Anyway, my car needs quarters too..(and outer wheelhouses, trunk pieces, fenders, and various other holes here and there, but....)..but I'll be using skins. Having never done this before but being confident I can (I hope not overconfident!) I have one question that I have not been able to answer for myself.......The area in front of the rear wheel house where the quarter attaches to the rocker.....How is that attached? Do you weld it from inside the car or what.....It looks like there is seam sealer or something at that outside seam, but that can't be all there is there? I'm familiar with butt welding or flange welding these skins (from research) but I can't find anything on that area above the rocker. Pretty novice question I suppose, but having never cut one off or installed one I just don't know. Thanks... and again I praise you guys with greatness...
Mike
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December 03, 2008, 02:47:56 PM »
Hey Mike -
Those panels mount to the top of the rocker area, and in different ways depending on the length of the panel. Some are nice and long and fold inward, in which case you punch holes in them and plug-weld them to the top of the rocker area down through the window regulator mechanism hole. Others are not as long and can be MIGd along the edge that folds in. Are you referring to your '72 Olds? As an aside, We're going to be posting the video on the full quarter on our '65 Chevelle soon.
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December 04, 2008, 07:36:59 AM »
Kevin....yeh it's the 72 Olds. The quarters I bought are Goodmark quarters and I think they have a nice long edge that sits on the rocker. Thanks, I thought that's how they would go but I wasn't sure!
Mike
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