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« on: June 08, 2009, 03:41:49 PM »

Hi All,

I've watched videos on this site for hours and hours.  I find it very interesting and educational. I have to confess, I'm not a V8 guy, quite the opposite.  I'm currently restoring a 1964 Datsun Fairlady Roadster.  It's 1500cc and all of 85 HP stock.  But so many of the issues, materials, products and methods apply across the spectrum of older cars.

I hope you'll let me hang out here, despite my obvious lack of horsepower.

Best Wishes from Southern California,

KDD
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 06:42:03 PM »

Hey KDD -

Welcome to the site!    We're not going to kick you out.. you're right, many of the tricks and techniques we do here apply to all cars.    Those old Datsuns are cool... do you have any pics of your project you can post up?

Thanks!

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 07:54:08 PM »

Welcome KDD!  We'd love to see your '64 Datsun.  Some of the most rewarding cars to drive have 100hp or less!

Kevin is absolutely right.  Even if your car doesn't have a V8 under the hood, many of the topics the V8TV crew covers could potentially benefit any type of project car.  I've learned a ton of valuable info here at V8TV, and have also discovered a lot of really cool companies that V8TV has featured in their builds. 

There are awesome cars with 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 16 cylinders.  No need to be biased toward only one configuration.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 09:18:10 AM »

Thanks for the warm welcome Kevin and Ze.  Here are some photos.
Delivery Day


Lifting the body off the frame


Frame in the driveway. BTW - Those are original wheel covers.
They did not come with the car and are as rare as hens teeth.
I was fortunate to score them.


What I hope it looks like some day.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 10:01:53 AM »

Wow is that thing cool.     I remember a red one in the neighborhood where I used to work in LA.   Very cool little car.   I love the ability to pull the body with an engine hoist, and the interesting design of the frame.    Looks surprisingly rigid for such a small car.    You going 100% stock with the resto?
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 02:50:50 PM »

I started the project with the thought that it is a way for my 13 year old son and I to spend some time together.  My original thought was to go all stock.  But the more thought I put into it, the more I want to do my own thing. Right now, I'm thinking I'll do a stock look. In other words, keep the outside basically stock with the wheel covers trim and so on.  I'll change up the color.  The blue in the last photo  is stock and is called Soro Blue. It's a one stage paint, and IMO a little on the dull side.  I'm thinking about doing that color in a metallic to brighten it up a bit, and calling it Soro Blue Metallic (the color of my daughter's eyes). I may also do a tan leather interior.

I'm also concerned about some safety issues with the car. 4 Wheel Drum Brakes which tend to fade. I may look into front disk at least, but may not be possible with the stock 13" wheel (later models have 14" and some do 15"). The  stock seats have no headrest and do not lock in place. People ask me if I will give it to the kids when I'm done. No Way!  I want them to start driving with ABS, Air Bags, VSA, Crumple Zones and Collapsible Steering Shafts.

The electrical system is Positive Ground.  I may convert that to negative. I'm also thinking I may do the Isis setup (obviously not stock). Some people do full engine swaps. Some do EFI conversions. I'm not planning on doing either of those. I may go with an Electronic Ignition System.

Part of me wants to be faithful to the original, due to it's relative rarity (not many 1500s out there, most are the 1600 and 2000cc). I know some within the Datsun Roadster community are sticklers for originality. But doing a museum restoration sounds boring, assuming I could pull it off. So I'm not sure where to draw the line between stock and modified. Ultimately, it's my car, and was rotting in the desert when I bought it.  Getting it back on the road at all will be an improvement.

Feel free to put in your two cents.

Keith

p.s. This IS my first rodeo.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 07:26:28 PM »

Wow, your Fairlady is stunning.  I'm getting closer to being able to finally start restoring my '66 GTO, and like you, I've been going back and forth for years regarding whether or not to restore back to fully stock.  My current feeling is that I'll probably go with a period-correct appearance (not necessarily factory/stock, however), but update key areas like the brakes, suspension, exhaust, electrical, and possibly steering.  Virtually all of those modifications can be reversed without leaving any permanent signs of alteration.  My reasoning is that I'll get much more pleasure from driving the car with those updated components, and I don't have any plans to enter show competitions that would favor originality.  But if I decide, for some crazy reason, that I do want to have a 100% stock GTO, I could always bolt the original parts back on.

So I guess the real question is what are your plans for the car?  Are you interested in entering ultra stringent judged events, or do you simply want to have fun?  It sounds like you're leaning toward the latter, and in that case, I'd opt for a few reversible upgrades that will really liven things up a bit in the handling & stopping departments, and also make your Fairlady a safer car, too.

Nobody makes disc/caliper combos for these cars when equipped with 13" wheels? 
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 08:48:08 PM »

Wow, your Fairlady is stunning. 

Thanks Ze.  That blue Fairlady in the last picture isn't mine.  It was the best stock restoration at this rally. I took the picture at the 2009 Datsun Roadster Classic in Solvang, California last April. It belongs to a professional restorer in northern California. I use the picture for inspiration. There is another restorer about an hour from me. He does museum restorations as well as race cars for some famous people. I've gone down there a couple of times to chat with him and pick his brain. He's been very helpful. I just can't afford the $25k - $50k and 2-3 years he takes to restore them. These roadsters are the direct predecessors to the Datsun 240 Z.

The picture of the frame in the driveway is mine and was taken last Saturday.

I guess my intent was the process, not necessarily the end product.  I needed a hobby and a way of spending time with my boy (I'll avoid the term "male bonding" here). I see it as a Sunday driver to take advantage of this great Southern California climate. I think the prudent coarse of action would be, as you say, not to alter the car irreversibly. I'll hang on to all the parts I have and don't use on it if I decide to go that route. But I'll avoid cutting the frame or modifying the original parts.  I'll hang on to the wheel covers, and keep them with the car.  The restorer I mentioned told me that he has, in the past, purchased an entire car solely to get a set of those wheel covers. I guess it also means I shouldn't go with the Isis system.

I looked on the Wilwood site, and didn't find anything to fit 13" wheels.  I'm thinking of going to 15" wheels so I can do a disc brake conversion. But of course that would ruin any plan to keep the stock look.
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 10:01:16 PM »


Thanks Ze.  That blue Fairlady in the last picture isn't mine.

Ah, for some reason I failed to read the caption on the last photo of the bunch. 

I did a quick search to see if I could find some disc brake conversion options for Datsun Fairlady 1500s, but obviously turned up nothing.  Perhaps the restorer you mentioned has some ideas regarding brake options for 13" wheels?  I guess he may also just say that you'll have to go with larger wheels...

And if those wheel covers are as rare as you say, I'd be in utter fear of hitting a pothole and sending one flying while driving down the road   Shocked
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